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Kalyr	Yet another setlist thread.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 593 (29-06-09 9:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None speaking to other fans both at gigs and in the forum chatroom I know I'm not the only person who feels the setlist is starting to get a bit stale, and really needs a much bigger shakeup than we've seen so far. I know the band did change things a bit for this spring tour, and it was great to hear songs like "Winter Mountain" and "Dark Before the Dawn" played again, But three quarters of the set was still the same as last year. I'd love to see the band drop something like half the setlist for the next tour; replacing them with older numbers that haven't been played for years, or more recent songs that haven't been played much at all. Songs that I feel are getting a bit especially tired, and ought to be rested: Pocket Watch Nowhere to Hide Caught in a Fold Never the Rainbow And some songs which ought to be considered as replacements Fireside Second Hand Glass Shadows Walk with a Storm Silver Glass (May be too strongly associated with Chris Johnson, but I'm sure Heather can do it justice) Black Rain Heart Life Storms Over Still Water Passengers Steal Away What does anyone else think? -- Tim Weblog, http://www.kalyr.com/weblog "Never again will I try to celebrate something I love by belittling the things that other people love" - Will Byers on the Guardian Music Blog
oldrocker		#1	[-]
Posts: 6 (30-06-09 1:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am sure that i have read somewhere that, the band are planning to record a new album towards the end of the year so i would presume that the set list for the gigs at the end of the year will incorporate some new material and inevitably mean that some of the older stuff will be dropped. Would love to hear more material from recent albums, eg Black Rain, Storms Over Still Water, Pass The Clock, Silver Glass, Paper Angels and Glass Shadows to freshen up the set, however, people will always be upset if certain songs are dropped. For example Never The Rainbow really gives Livvy the chance to show her talent and it would be a real pity if she was to spend a whole gig hidden away at the back.
ANSTEY STEVE		#2	[-]
Posts: 43 (30-06-09 4:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I suppose that it is the usual Quart in to a pint pot scenario ! There are certainly many songs that I would love to hear live again that do not get a regular place in the set list. With the volume and quality of the songs in the catalogue there is certainly no reason why songs should become tired but at the same time there is always the problem of trying to keep the majority of fans happy, Not all fans see the band as regularly as some members of this forum and to them maybe some of the songs listed are not "tired". Overall though I do tend to agree that the set list could be rotated more than it has been in the past. Stephen C
Roger N		#3	[-]
Posts: 1351 (30-06-09 5:55) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This topic is a bit of a hardy perennial! Stephen C makes a good point. While there are a few of us (mainly forum-dwelling!) who see the band on several dates during the course of a tour, the majority of people attending gigs will probably only go once per tour, so there's certainly no staleness for them. The issue the band face is whether to perfect one set which they know they can deliver each and every time, or whether to rehearse up a greater variety of songs and not get to play them so often. When MA tour they tend to play a couple of dates, have a few days off then do another date etc. Even though they are great musicians, constantly changing set within a relatively short tour would increase the chances of them having to concentrate more on playing the music rather than delivering a great performance (which they will do when they are very familiar with the material). Of course if they were doing Iron Maiden-like marathon tours for months on end then it would be a different matter altogether! Also MA, or rather Bryan, puts a lot of thought into making a set a complete performance that flows well rather than just a collection of songs, so slipping different numbers in and out is not as easy as it may first appear. Of course we all have our favourites that we'd like to hear included but in light of the above I can quite understand why MA stick with the same set for a whole tour (bar the occasional change here and there).
Kalyr		#4	[-]
Posts: 594 (30-06-09 6:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Rog, I wasn't suggesting they rotate songs around from date to date during the tour as bands like Marillion do, rather that they should put together a substantially different set for each tour. I've seen Marillion on consecutive tours, and sometimes the sets have only had two or three songs in common. Compare that with the setlists for the last three MA tours - Spring 2008, Winter 2008 and Spring 2009. I'm not suggesting Mostly Autumn go as far as Marillion. But they don't have any 'radio hits' that audiences will always expect, and they do have a very strong back catalogue (just look at the track listing for "Pass the Clock"). There's no reason to stick to the same standards tour after tour. -- Tim Weblog, http://www.kalyr.com/weblog "Never again will I try to celebrate something I love by belittling the things that other people love" - Will Byers on the Guardian Music Blog
Taeghan.shoguntotalwar		#5	[-]
Posts: 1 (30-06-09 6:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	A band I follow in the States (Railroad Earth) has a completely different setlist every night. Yes, every single night. Out of 8-900 shows, no repeats. That's with four studio albums, a live double disk, probably 3-4 more worth of unrecorded tunes, and covers. 56 shows I've seen, and 142 different songs. That's how you keep people coming in, night after night. Granted, Railroad tours more heavily as well as hitting the summer festivals, but it's nice knowing that on a three night run, it's probable I won't hear one repeat. And they're good for two sets, totally 2-3 hours per show. Hey Tim. -Scott
David Taylor		#6	[-]
Posts: 1079 (30-06-09 7:41) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I do have to say I think Tim has a decent point here (wow - that felt weird). Yes - play the same setlist for the whole tour, but also yes, lets change things up a bit more with each different tour. Will give each tour its own distinct feel and personality. The bands back catalogue stretches to a lot more than just 2 1/2 hours of good music. You could drop every song out of the current setlist, replace it with songs not being played and still have a stunningly good show.
Roger N		#7	[-]
Posts: 1352 (30-06-09 9:02) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Taeghan wrote: A band I follow in the States (Railroad Earth) has a completely different setlist every night. Yes, every single night. Out of 8-900 shows, no repeats. totally 2-3 hours per show. That's exactly the point. A band doing 900 odd shows night after night can do that (let's face it, they'd need to in order to keep their sanity! ) But for a band doing 12 gigs over a 7 week period (i.e. MA's most recent UK tour) that's a different matter.
Roger N		#8	[-]
Posts: 1353 (30-06-09 9:43) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Having checked a recent set-list (courtesy of TJ's Leicester post) I think the set has changed more than realised. Out of 21 songs they hadn't played 5 of them since at least 2005 and another never at all (albeit a cover), so that's over 25% of the set that has been changed. Add in the 4 numbers from Glass Shadows then that's 50% of the set that's changed in the last year or so. I reckon 50% change, 50% continuity isn't so bad. Within the 50% continuity there a few numbers that are a 'must play' (imagine being a fan who doesn't get to see a show very often, getting a chance to go to a gig and then the band not playing Evergreen or Heroes Never Die) and which I imagine most regular gig goers don't tire of. So I guess it comes down to a half dozen or so numbers that get played regularly but don't have the 'must play' status. As time goes these are tending to be replaced (e..g The Last Climb, Mother Nature etc., the jigs, all of which were in the set for yonks) but of course everyone has their own view of what should go and what should stay. (Fast forward to forum post in 2012 - "I wish MA would bring back Pocket Watch - why do they never play Pocket Watch?!!")
David Taylor		#9	[-]
Posts: 1080 (01-07-09 5:59) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I do agree about Evergreen and Heroes. those songs should be nailed on to the setlist so they never fall off. Everything else though should be open to discussion imho.
Blazing Apostle		#10	[-]
Posts: 928 (01-07-09 7:28) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Taeghan wrote: A band I follow in the States (Railroad Earth) has a completely different setlist every night. Yes, every single night. Out of 8-900 shows, no repeats. That's with four studio albums, a live double disk, probably 3-4 more worth of unrecorded tunes, and covers. 56 shows I've seen, and 142 different songs. That's how you keep people coming in, night after night. Granted, Railroad tours more heavily as well as hitting the summer festivals, but it's nice knowing that on a three night run, it's probable I won't hear one repeat. And they're good for two sets, totally 2-3 hours per show. Hey Tim. -Scott Scott, welcome to the forums, I see that was your first post !! I was somewhat surprised to see the name Railroad Earth here, what a fantastic band they are, a friend of mine in MD Usa sent me quite a few tracks of RE, Bird in the House etc utterly brilliant!! I'm now off to play them as you have put me in the mood Cheers Mick Ah Hah!
Taeghan.shoguntotalwar		#11	[-]
Posts: 2 (02-07-09 5:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the welcome, Mick. Tim got me onto MA a long while back -- I go through phases where I'm prog-intensive, and times when I'm not. I seem to be moving into an intensive phase again... One great thing about Railroad Earth is that they encourage taping. Over on the Live Music Archive (www.archive.org) you can stream or download...good lord, 625 recordings of probably 4-500 shows stretching from 2001 up through June 22 of this year. They used to allow soundboard patches but stopped in prep for their live disks a few years back. Still, aud tapes have come a long way. By allowing taping, it encourages a growing fan base to travel and see as many shows as possible. The band isn't out any revenue and word of mouth is big. The band DOES sell soundboards of select shows over on www.livedownloads.com. I label Railroad as "prog-grass." Sure, they play bluegrass instruments, and even dabble at times in traditional bluegrass, but the drum kit alone means they're different. They go way out there a la The Waiting Room from The Lamb, quite frequently. Some seriously amazing musicians. http://www.archive.org/de...-12-30.neumann140.flac16 is one of the better shows of recent memory. It's streamable. Prog-fans will appreciate the follow tracks: Carrying Coal to Newcastle > Mighty River 1759 (the mando player pulls out his Irish bouzouki for what is essentially a war song, and the fiddle player uses a digital octave splitter to sound like the gates of hell opening) The Green Roofs of Eirran > Like a Buddha I Am A Mess All Alone Raindance Special note is Fisherman's Blues -- yes, the Waterboys tune. Give the whole show a try, folks -- you might be very surprised. Todd, the singer/guitarist frequently sounds like Rothery. The thing to remember about this band is, they're playing acoustic instrucments. Sure, they're amplified, but it's outstanding.
Kalyr		#12	[-]
Posts: 595 (02-07-09 7:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd love to hear RRE cover "Winter Mountain" - ought to suit their style well. -- Tim Weblog, http://www.kalyr.com/weblog "Never again will I try to celebrate something I love by belittling the things that other people love" - Will Byers on the Guardian Music Blog
Blazing Apostle		#13	[-]
Posts: 929 (03-07-09 5:25) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kalyr wrote: I'd love to hear RRE cover "Winter Mountain" - ought to suit their style well. Good call Tim!! Ah Hah!
alanbloor		#14	[-]
Posts: 7 (05-07-09 2:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As a recent convert, with only one gig under my belt and only having bought (so far) Catch The Spirit, Heart Full Of Sky, and Glass Shadows, I hope you don't mind me putting my two pennyworth in. First of all, at the gig I attended I thought Never The Rainbow was one of the high spots, and gave Livvy her chance to come out of the shadows. Great song too - I'd keep it. I heard a number of people shouting for Mother Nature, and having heard it on Catch The Spirit I would go along with that. Another one that's become a favourite of mine is Shrinking Violet. It may have been in the setlist recently, but if not I'd love to hear it. Then, from Heart Full Of Sky I'd pick Half A World and Ghost, and from Glass Shadows the title track.
Roger N		#15	[-]
Posts: 1354 (05-07-09 5:38) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Some great tracks there, Alan. With the exception of Glass Shadows they've all featured in various sets over the years. For a long time Mother Nature was the encore. I'd love to hear it again. The only problem with it is that it's so long that they'd need to drop about 3 songs to make way for it!
Paul Quinton		#16	[-]
Posts: 289 (06-07-09 11:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've no real problem with the songs actually played on this last tour, although I know a lot of people think it's time for an overhaul, but it's my feeling that the running order of the 2009 shows could have been better worked out, particularly in the second half. If you went to any of the gigs, or have seen the set-lists posted here, you'll know that the second half opened with several up-tempo songs, Winter Mountain, Dark Before The Dawn, Answer The Question and so on, which really lifted the crowd and had them clapping and singing along. Then just as the gig seemed ready to take the roof off, everything slowed down for Heather's showcase Above The Blue. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine song, one that means a lot to her and her performance is always tremendous, but I do wonder about playing it just as the crowd were bubbling after the livelier songs and asking them to quieten down and give ATB the stillness and attention it deserves. I thought it would have been far better in the first half of the set, perhaps alongside Tearing At The Faerytale, played just before the mighty Evergreen, to end the first half on a wave of emotion. Then the second half could begin with a positive and uplifting song, perhaps The Spirit Of Autumn Past, and then building the atmosphere up with the faster songs ready for the final emotional one-two of Carpe Diem and Heroes. Start with a climax and work your way up from there as (I think) Cecil B.DeMille said. It's also worth pointing out that the two halves of the show have often been quite unbalanced this year, with the first half usually lasting around 50-55 minutes whereas the second half has been around 90 minutes. There might be a good reason for this imbalance, but to an outsider it seems a little strange.
clustertwo.breathingspace		#17	[-]
Posts: 12 (06-07-09 4:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It must be an extremely difficult task for Bryan and Heather to sort out a set list for each tour. With a back catalogue loaded with classics, and a new album to promote, it just gets harder and harder with each tour. For what it's worth, here's how I would shake up the set list to introduce some new songs ( I know some might have been regular live numbers in earlier days), and re-introduce some old favourites. I've tried to keep the balance between old and new. In my opinion, the Glass Shadows songs fearured on the last tour were the best numbers on the album, but could be rotated. Rested :- Turn It On Again Pocket Watch Broken Glass The Last Bright Light Nowhere To Hide Heroes (Sorry!, But it's the only way to get Mother Nature in ) Introduced to the set :- Please We Come And We Go (with Heather on vocals) Hollow Gaze or Yellow Time Mother Nature (with Bryan's band introductions like on the V Shows) If the band want to play a cover, I would like it to be Gimme Shelter. Never heard the band play it, but it's bound to be good. I think I've also read somewhere, possibly an old issue of AL, that Bryan would like to have a go at tackling Bowie's Heroes at some point. If this is correct, it would be an inspired choice.

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